What Do YOU Think of These Proposed PT Cruiser Car Show Classes ?

[PT-MD]

Your CONSTRUCTIVE Comments will be appreciated. Please note that it will not be possible to please everyone, no matter how this breaks out. We are attempting to pose order out of chaos.

n an attempt to equalize the competition at 4 Car Shows that we are responsible for scoring next year, the following is proposed:

Car Show Classification:
Stock -3 or less mods. Total Retail Cost cannot exceed $500.00
Mod - Total Retail Cost of all mods is more than $500 but less than $2000
Super Mod - Total Retail Cost of mods is more than $2000 but less than $8000
Wild - Total Retail Cost of all mods is more than $8000.

What is a mod? (Modification)
Anything that was installed on the car after it was delivered to the dealer is a modification including dealer installed factory options. See exemptions, below.

If an item was obtained for free - winning a raffle or as a door price or if something "fell off of the truck" - you must include the item's retail cost including normal installation charges.

If you did the work yourself (e.g. shaving your own door handles, or painting you own flames), you must include the mod at its retail cost. If you purchased a number of mods as a kit or "package" (e.g. chrome grill, and chrome bumper inserts) it counts as TWO mods or more, depending on how many items were in the package.

Examples include but are not limited to:

Woody Kits (if car was not delivered with one)
Non-stock Wheels and / or tires
Aero Kits / Xenon Kits / Bruiser Kits / PTEAZER Kits
Air and / or Hydraulic Suspensions
Engine Dress Up Parts
Xenon Spoilers
Replacement Grilles or Front End Kits
Replacement Hoods
Running Boards
Side Skirts
Flamed or Custom Paint Jobs
Suicide Doors
Shaved Door Handles
Forward Tilting Hood Lift Kits
Bumper Covers
Dealer-installed Vinyl Flames
Replacement Tail Lights
Tail Light Covers
Pin Stripes
Body graphics
Dash Kits
Exhaust system changes
Non-stock Seats
Fuzzy Dice


The following items are exempted and do NOT count as modifications:

Factory-style Spoilers
Painted Bumpers
Weather-Flectors, Vent Vusirs, or similar
Moon-roof Air Deflectors, Bug deflectors, or similar
Neon or other underbody lighting
Radio Antennas
Radio Upgrades
Xenon light bulb upgrades
Oogah Horns

Note: The Competition Oversight Committee reserves the right to DISQUALIFY any car judged to be in a LOWER class than it should be in. You can select a higher class with NO penalty.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Hmmm I do not want to rock the boat or get told to stay home, I want to have fun. I did a ton of Big Mods which were almost Not noticable althought this didn't work. Someone still stole my DVD system and destroyed the interior

The cars that I am cometing against at the car shows are alot tougher, i.e. the $90,000 Honda Civic.. Its impossible for me to spend that kind of money I am however doing a bit at a time.. Sometimes a little more than I would like to admite too.


P.S. I am getting ready for Cleveland and hope to have my mods done by then


Noticed, Mods do not Count - include Radio upgrades,, My old DVD system was very expensive but does it count..??.

[THISLPT]

Maybe this will help or hinder...it's up to you to decide....

Here is our tentative structure for the upcoming Cruisermania event in March

CRUISERMANIA
TROPHY CLASSES

Stock Class=$500 or less in modifications
Mild Class=$501-$5000 in modifications
Wild Class=$5001-$10000 in modifications

There will be an award for each class for each of the stock Chrysler PT Cruiser colors listed:
Aquamarine-Black-Cool Vanilla-Cranberry-Deep Plum-Electric Blue
Inca Gold-Inferno Red-Lt. Almond-Onyx Green-Patriot Blue
Shale Green-Silver-Steel Blue-Tangerine-Taupe-White
The winners will be determined by the attendees of the event

There will be one award for each of the following categories:
Best Paint
Best Flames
Best Tailgate Mural
Best Interior
Best Theme
Best Engine
Best Neons/Lights
Best Mirror Ornament
Best License Plate
Best Tailgate Display
Best Mini-PT Collection
Best PT Memorabilia Collection
The winners will be determined by qualified judges

There will be one award for each of these special categories:
Best of Show (judges vote)
Peoples Choice (peoples vote)
Honorary Mention (judges vote)
Most Unique PT Cruiser (judges vote)

Any PT with over $10, 000.00 registered for the event will be put into an EXTREME/TRAILER QUEEN CLASS..................That way the guys with the money can pound it out on their own!!




66 total awards will be given out during the event.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Not sure if price should come into the picture or not being that us Canadians pay absolutely throught the nose in Canada.

For example a local performance shop wants $1500 plus 15% tax for a Good Hood alone
I bought mine from Maggie for around 500 and change..

I was at a couple of Cruises where there was a point system for Mods, which makes sense because not everyone pays the same price for the same parts.

I hate to see people fighting over stuff I just like Cruisers that looks Kewl.. Hopefully people would get grumpy and cause this thread to close. I have enough problems working at GM and dodging the AZteks in the parking lot.. My Cruiser is my Fun Toy

[basset hound]

Steve, I have found that most people are against using cost as a criteria for classing PT Cruisers. There are too many problems with it. Many people have friends in the modification business or are in it themselves. These people do not have to pay a "fair market value" on their modifications. Others don't have that luxury and have to pay much higher prices for the items as well as having them installed. To be very honest with you Steve, I have no idea how much we have spent on our Cruiser. We don't have any records on our costs. Frankly, we'd rather not know how much money we have spent.

To make awards by stock colors sounds like a lot of fun, but it is toatlly unfair. There are far more silver and red PT Cruisers than any of the other colors.

PT-MD, I would be extreamly upset is I was disqualified by your committee.

Note: The Competition Oversight Committee reserves the right to DISQUALIFY any car judged to be in a LOWER class than it should be in. You can select a higher class with NO penalty.

They would have no idea what I, or anyone else for that matter, truly paid for modifications and instillation costs. As I just mentioned to Steve, even I don't have an accurate accounting on my own. For your committee to assume that they know more than the Cruiser's owner is unacceptable. It would be impossible, for example, for them to put a price on my bumper modifications. There are many other unique modifications that people have made that your committee could not estimate accurately. You can't base it on retail estimates either. Costs vary greatly in each community and even with the same vendor or installer. I know that I have gotten different deals from vendors and installers than others (some good & some not so good). Paint jobs alone can vary by several thousand dollars, but still be the same "quality."



Using cost as a criteria for classifying PT Cruisers just won't work. The only way to classify PT Cruisers is by using a point value for each major modification and creating classes using the points. Then a committee like PT-MD suggests can actually see all the modifications and determine if an entrant has left off something from the list or added incorrectly.

[PT_Sean]

Perhaps a SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE-LIST for mods would help, then again, it would be a POINTs thing wouldn't it (with a few more zeros behind it?)




As we discussed in emails- where would a Dream Cruiser 2 fit in? All mods are factory versus ADD-ONs if the PT started as a base.

[GOLDMEMBER]

I'm going to very broke shortly once my Cruiser is finished, by the time its finished I will have spent almost as much on mods as the price of my Cruiser. Putting a dollar number on the classes may scare off the newbies who just want to have fun, fun, fun til their daddy takes their Cruiser away..

Hopefully I haven't ticked anyone off I love my Cruiser and enjoy meeting other Cruiser folks and seeing the Cool looking Cruisers.

[THISLPT]

Originally Posted by basset hound

Steve, I have found that most people are against using cost as a criteria for classing PT Cruisers. There are too many problems with it. Many people have friends in the modification business or are in it themselves. These people do not have to pay a "fair market value" on their modifications. Others don't have that luxury and have to pay much higher prices for the items as well as having them installed. To be very honest with you Steve, I have no idea how much we have spent on our Cruiser. We don't have any records on our costs. Frankly, we'd rather not know how much money we have spent.

To make awards by stock colors sounds like a lot of fun, but it is toatlly unfair. There are far more silver and red PT Cruisers than any of the other colors.

PT-MD, I would be extreamly upset is I was disqualified by your committee.



They would have no idea what I, or anyone else for that matter, truly paid for modifications and instillation costs. As I just mentioned to Steve, even I don't have an accurate accounting on my own. For your committee to assume that they know more than the Cruiser's owner is unacceptable. It would be impossible, for example, for them to put a price on my bumper modifications. There are many other unique modifications that people have made that your committee could not estimate accurately. You can't base it on retail estimates either. Costs vary greatly in each community and even with the same vendor or installer. I know that I have gotten different deals from vendors and installers than others (some good & some not so good). Paint jobs alone can vary by several thousand dollars, but still be the same "quality."



Using cost as a criteria for classifying PT Cruisers just won't work. The only way to classify PT Cruisers is by using a point value for each major modification and creating classes using the points. Then a committee like PT-MD suggests can actually see all the modifications and determine if an entrant has left off something from the list or added incorrectly.

Don: We have not set anything in stone as far as the car classes for Cruisermania and are weighing several options. Thnaks for your input. I would hate to end up in a class that i am under qualified to be in. It happened to me in Vegas two years ago and i said.......heck....i don't even stack up to the others in my class.

I am totally open to going back to point system, and hope that people are honest when they submit their tally sheet. I think It may take some staff members reviewing the cars to be sure people have been on the level with their point accumulations.

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by THISLPT

I am totally open to going back to point system, and hope that people are honest when they submit their tally sheet. I think It may take some staff members reviewing the cars to be sure people have been on the level with their point accumulations.

Agree with Basset Hound. You should go back to the point system and look at what the owner has wrought rather than how much money the owner has expended. I'm not a big fan of some of the RatDaddy type of cheap mods, for example, but some of them are as effective as similar mods costing much more $$$. With skill and hard work, you can "super modify" your Cruiser while spending no more actual hard cash as other folks might to just qualify for the "modified" category.

PT-MD, that stuff about disqualifying folks 'cause they got in a "lower" class strikes me as just being mean. This is supposed to be fun, right?

Of course, if you want a professional judge and have a generous beer budget...

[Dave Pgh]

While this might work for some small shows, it still leaves some inequities in the classes.
A Classic Edition '01 cruiser would be in the same class as an '03 Dream Cruiser, if both were exactly as delivered.
A PT with a Bassani Exhaust(which rarely gets noticed by a voter) and a couple Streamline grill flames is in the same class as a PT with a grill, hood, wheels, and some chrome add-ons.
An owner who buys the chrome grill, spears, and gas cap from the dealer and has them installed is in a different class from the owner who bought it off the lot woth the 'chrome package'.

That's why I think some sort of point system, with points for EVERY upgrade(factory or not) from a base '01 is the only really fair way to group PTs into classes.