Oh boy, bush is just wonderful!

[taikuchin]

Originally Posted by saxonburgcruiser

I have said it before and i will say it again...you paying attention this time???I DO NOT LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH. BILL CLINTON COMMITTED PERJURY....PERJURY IS A CRIME. THAT MAKES HIM A CRIMINAL...now, what part of that don't you understand???

I've said it before & will say it again...try & tear yourself away from faux news for a minute!!! Nobody but a bunch of right wing wackos gives a crap about Bill's bj in the white house or his lying about it or that the wackos managed to spend $40 million to make a federal case out of it. On the other hand, MOST of us do care that dubya is sending troops to their deaths over a pack of lies & bankrupting the country in the process.

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by lisa

Just because I felt that (in relative terms) clinton was the Lesser of 2 evils, don't mistake that for being pro clinton or pro democrat. The reason bush gets bashed is because he deserves it. And by the way, I don't think that spoiled "kids" avoid the draft-that would be adults (as in men over the age of 18). Not that most men grow up before 40, but they sign up for the military 22 years before that.
What are you gonna say about those politicians in 10 years or so that never even had the chance to be drafted (because there was none). I suppose if they are republican they are fit for office, but if they are democrats they have "avoided military service". How hypocritical.

You give the most definite impression that you have adopted the lefty point of view, Lisa. Your few quibbles about Clinton don't even begin to compare to your slams against President Bush. You're not non-partisan. Remembering to say, "Well, all politicians are liars," or whatever every so often doesn't put you back on the fence.

If a politician is too young to have been eligible for service during the Vietnam time period, i.e, the last time we had a draft, then that issue does not exist for them. Military service is a good thing for a politician to have, especially one who wants to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces...but I don't think it's is necessary at all. See? You got my position all wrong on that one, Lisa. Better put away the crystal ball.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by saxonburgcruiser

What is undignified about it is when it is performed in a sacred icon of our nation...the white house. What is undignified about it is when it is performed on a married president during working hours with a girl who is less than half his age. maybe this is OK with you, and maybe you believe in situational ethics, but i can assure you that you are holding a minority opinion.

Quite frankly, BIll Clinton was the most crooked individual ever to occupy the white house. He was(and is), a national embarrasment. He is a criminal and should be in jail right now. The reason that so many people keep bringing up BC is becasue of the HUGE double standard we now see. Geroge Bush farts and he is criticized by the mainstream media over and over. BC commits multiple crimes and is given a pass. That crap gets old after a while. The double standard is enough to make us sick.
BC wasn't held accuntable for ANYTHING. Since that was the case, then the libs have no right to attack Bush for anything.

I thnk the country took a "national shower" after that scumbag finally left washington....of course before the children left, they had to vandalize the place...what a bunch of assholes.

Priceless-do you actually think that no president has had fellatio in the oval office before clinton?? You ARE naive!!! My bet is that they have ALL done it there. Some maybe with their wives.

Taik is right-if the reps hadn't spent 40 million dollars trying to prove clinton did something wrong and then didn't make it stick-why is that clinton's fault?? Sounds like a republican falure to me.

And the white house lost all of the "w"s on their keyboards-hee hee!!! I don't know about you, but I didn't need a shower-I didn't vote for clinton (I know you all think I did, but you would be wrong) so I had nothing to try to wash off-no stain sticking to me!!!

You guys are WAY too serious. It is politics for goodness sakes. If you are not willing to acknowledge that ALL politics are corrupt, then you really don't get it.

Republican party line-Stand by your man!! That is the important thing for you. Don't open your eyes or anything, just stand by your man!!!

[OC Cruzer]

Originally Posted by taikuchin

Nobody but a bunch of right wing wackos gives a crap about Bill's bj in the white house or his lying about it-----

Yea really why would anybody care about having a President that can't even maintain an honest relationship with his own family.
I mean these are the people he cares about the most and if his moral standards are so low he doesn't mind causing them the pain and humiliation he did, it doesn't say a thing about his priorities and/or strength of character.
Just because he can't maintain an honest relationship with his own family doesn't mean he won't maintain an honest relationship with the American people.

If "nobody" cares about clintons school boy antics, it sure is funny Al Gore avoided him like the plaque during his presidential campaign and few democrats wanted him to endorse them for re-election.
Sounds like they thought someone might care


Just because you've "said it before and will say it again" that "nobody but a bunch of right wing wackos gives a crap about bill's, ect ect.
doesn't mean it's true.
Believe it or not, there are some people in this country that judge a person by their actions and would rather have a President with SOME moral standards. You know, someone their children can look up to and respect.
Someone they themselves, can look at and say, that's a good man (or woman).

And that IS the truth.

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[BlueMeanie]

Originally Posted by taikuchin

When dubya "farted", it cost the lives (almost 600 to date) of American service men & women. Bill Clinton's indiscretions mearly p/o'd a bunch of raving right wing wackos...so what?. Your grasp of history was obviously obtained on talk radio from the likes of rash limblow & the rest of the drug addled pogues who bleet & bellow about the Clinton family.

Let me look back in time a bit.... Bill gets caught with Monica and then we suddenly start lobbing missiles at Bosnia. Coincidence? Luckily, not very many soldiers were hurt because they mainly kept to the air.

Dan

[lisa]

Originally Posted by OC Cruzer

Yea really why would anybody care about having a President that can't even maintain an honest relationship with his own family.
I mean these are the people he cares about the most and if his moral standards are so low he doesn't mind causing them the pain and humiliation he did, it doesn't say a thing about his priorities and/or strength of character.
Just because he can't maintain an honest relationship with his own family doesn't mean he won't maintain an honest relationship with the American people.

If "nobody" cares about clintons school boy antics, it sure is funny Al Gore avoided him like the plaque during his presidential campaign and few democrats wanted him to endorse them for re-election.
Sounds like they thought someone might care

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Sure we cared, it's just that most americans didn't actually think it was the first time it happened-nor that it will be the last. My problem is that you can't legislate morality-it can't and shouldn't be done, so it was not illegal to do what he did. It would have been illegal to lie about it under oath. It was really just a matter of semantics-he said he did not have sexual relations with that woman. He didn't in the strictest sense of the word. Whether or not they had sexual contact was another matter. Anyway, no one could make it stick, so he was off the hook. I just find the whole (republican) witch hunt about it silly and we could have spent 40 million on something more worthwhile. I could care when the president is getting it and from whom. I would never ask bush, clinton, reagan, nixon, jfk, carter (and he would answer), ford or any other president about their sex life-it is not my business. EVERYONE is entitled to a sex life and no one else should have a say in it-even if they are the president.

[satellite66]

Originally Posted by lisa

Sure we cared, it's just that most americans didn't actually think it was the first time it happened-nor that it will be the last.

No you are probably right. The problem I had was that once it was clear he had been caught he kept lying. It is also troubling that he either was not crafty enough or had such little regard for the American people that he did not keep it a better secret. I don't think it was because he was not crafty enough. I think it was just arrogance. He lied under oath giving depostions in a lawsuit. He was a lawyer, a prosecutor. Someone who clearly knows the law. Something that if you or I did we would be prosecuted. He brought this on himself.
If instead of holding out that lie for 8 months if he just came clean early on it would have just been a footnote in history. Now it is his legacy.

Here is a similar case handled by the Clinton DOJ.
Read the story

[lisa]

Originally Posted by satellite66

No you are probably right. The problem I had was that once it was clear he had been caught he kept lying. It is also troubling that he either was not crafty enough or had such little regard for the American people that he did not keep it a better secret. I don't think it was because he was not crafty enough. I think it was just arrogance. He lied under oath giving depostions in a lawsuit. He was a lawyer, a prosecutor. Someone who clearly knows the law. Something that if you or I did we would be prosecuted. He brought this on himself.
If instead of holding out that lie for 8 months if he just came clean early on it would have just been a footnote in history. Now it is his legacy.

Here is a similar case handled by the Clinton DOJ.
Read the story

I agree that he should have copped to it when he got caught. That was a dumb thing to do. He shoulda told his wife is what he shoulda done-that had to be humiliating for her!!! I would have whacked him in the nads if I was her!!!

[InfernoRed]

WOW,not look at this post for 24 hours......................

First off...WW2.Pearl Harbor...YES it was attacked.NO it was NOT U.S. soil.Hawaii didn't become a state until the 50's.It was a U.S. PROTECTORATE.But since the Japanese attacked american military targets...it was CONSIDERED(and rightfully so)an attack against the United States.So answer me this????Why were the attacks against the WTC in 1993(U.S. soil undoubtbly),Al Kohbar Towers in 1996(housing Air Force personelle),the U.S. Embassy attacks of 1998(which ARE considered U.S. soil) and the attack against the U.S.S. Cole(a major piece of U.S. military equipment that you and I as tax payers BOUGHT) NOT considered attacks against America by the PREVIOUS administration???Clearly...these attacks fit the same basic criteria.

The National Gaurd NOT TRUE military...hahahahahah....HELLO.You people who have NEVER served obviously don't realize that National Gaurd men and women take the EXACT SAME oath to protect,up hold and defend the Constitution of the United States,with thier LIVES if neccessary that Active Duty forces do.And considering that nearly half of the deployed forces world wide are National Gaurd and Reserves.......In fact,the 209th Quarter Master Unit is currently returning from 1 year of active duty in Iraq to Tippicanoe County,Indiana.This is a National Gaurd unit,and unfortunately one of our local boys with that unit DIED in Iraq in service to our/his country.

As to ole' Daddy Bush "Failing to go all the way" in 1991...and remove Saddam.Well,as one who actually served in Desert Shield and Storm with the 388th Fighter Wing,4th Combat AGE Team deployed from Hill A.F.B. Utah to Al Minhad A.B. United Arab Emerites.....Let me tell you a few things.....Shield and Storm was a coalition force that was actually a United Nations operation.With the United States providing 500,000 of 750,000 total forces used in the region.This roughly 2/3rds of the military being supllied by US was why we understandably LED the military execution of the operation.BUT,the UNITED NATIONS(NOT the United States)set the mandates,steps and basic rules of engagement to be used SHOULD combat hostilities be sparked off or all diplomatic approches fail(which they did).We went as far as the United Nations ALLOWED.ALL objectives WERE met and performed damn near flawlessly.IF we had gone on and ignored the United Nations and taken Saddam out...well guess what????We as a nation would have been ostricized by the world and it's people for being a BULLY and ignoring thier wishes.So for all those people who weren't there,don't know what was actually going on,or the vast political consequences that would have resulted,ole' "daddy" did damn good as a leader by us Service personelle in ALL branches over there.......MISSION ACCOMPLISHED,1991!

InfernoRed :

Frmr. SRA William Hatfield
388th Fighter Wing/4th Combat AGE Team
"Fightin' Fujins"
Hill A.F.B. Ut. deployed to Al Minhad A.B.
United Arab Emerites,1990-1991

Don't worry my brothers and sisters in the Gaurds.......I understand you all make the potential difference between success and failure and that you make the same potential sacrifices.HONOR the dead who served,RESPECT the living who are or have served....for without them,our DEBATE would not take place.

[satellite66]

Well said Inferno Red and thank you for your service.