Prune the Shrub in '04 #10

[dreamer]

volare, somehow that just does not impress me. those who lost relatives know better than you or I on this subject. It truly doesn't matter if they have spoken out against Bush in the past or not. You really don't think it's possible that they offended? They lost someone dear to them.

I know there were some with lost family members that didn't mind the ads. But if only one did object, that's good enough for me. I have no wish to further their pain. Period.

It is possible for someone to have an opinion on this without it being policitally moviated. I am a clear example. Yes, I don't like Bush. But this issue has nothing to do with my own political leanings. It is borne only out of respect for those that have lost family members on 9/11.
I believe I would have objected no matter who the president was. I think it was tacky to the extreme and a sad commentary on our policial system on the whole.

Because of my own personal beliefs, I find it entirely possible that an actual family member may also find it offensive, no matter their personal opinion of Bush.

Some things are just not right.


Please note I lost a friend in the twin towers that day. When I call and speak to his mom, I stear clear of all politics with her, unless she brings them up. And I kept some of my opinions to myself with her, if only out of respect for her loss. It's not a hardship to do. I haven't talked to her recently, and I sure wouldn't bring this subject up with her. But my quess would be those ads would be hard on her. She's old, and she still grieves. I just don't want to see her caused more pain. nor any of them.

[OC Cruzer]

Originally Posted by my80volare

Yeah, Bush is politicizing this...

I'm sure glad that there are people on the forum that don't take a story at face value and are willing to take the time and make an effort to get to the TRUTH, or at least the WHOLE story.

Another way of looking at it is there were probably around 30,000 people directly affected by 9/11.

Out of that number, the democrats drag out a few people that are offended.

It would be interesting to be able to poll the estimated 30,000 people and see how many support George Bush.

Kerry can talk about Vietnam on a daily basis and politicize that terrible time in our nations history and nothing is said.

George Bush, in good taste, reminds the nation about the events of 9/11 (it is part of our history) and the liberals howl.

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[dreamer]

OC, did the dems "drag them out" or did they come forth on their own?

I disagree that it was done in good taste. Good taste would have dicated it not be dragged in at all. that's just my 2 cents. I would say the same if I was a card carrying republican.

[my80volare]

Dreamer, my problem isn't so much that they are offened by the ads. I respect that if they feel that way. But 5 of those 7 people have already used that event for thier political purposes against Bush long before these ads, and now these same people are outraged at Bush? Does that not sound a bit hypocritical to you? And the fact that the media completely ignored the correlation by hiding that info shows thier own "politicizing" of the issue.

All I'm trying to say is that if the media wants to make it look like Bush is politicizing it, at least find someone that doesn't already have an anti-Bush agenda to begin with. Maybe more credibility will be given to thier outrage. Right now, the 5 of them look to be more concerned with politicizing the event than Bush is.

[JOEM]

The real question is: if Bush refers to his record of actions he took in response to 9-11, isn't he mentioning 9-11 regardless? He can certainly promote his record as President. Doing it without even mentioning 9-11 may be what the Democrats want, but that's just ridiculous.

[dreamer]

I don't know Joe. I don't consider myself a democrat. I know I'm not voting for Bush, but still am not sure who I WILL vote for kerry, nader or someone else....

If Bush wants to mention his record, ok by me. But leave off the photos from the WTC off the TV ads. How's that for compromise? I myself would be a heck less offended if the ads didn't carry those images.

And it's only the start of the hard core political season for the election. I sudder to think of what's coming down the road in the months ahead. I don't look forward to it, from either party.

[dreamer]

I also did a short google search. "When they show all that smoke and fire and pictures of the buildings, I can't stand to see it," Lucy Willett said. She was a mother of one the victims. Sorry, but I side with her.

I can't find any evidence that she is anything but a mother to one of the 9/11 victims.


I googled the names of 3 more separate family members that have spoken out in recent days against the ads. Can't find anything on them either, other than they were upset by the images shown on a political ad.
One I believe, is the founder of a support group for 9/11 victims though. I think he may have been upset in the past with how the 9/11 investigation is going. that's about it.....

[saxonburgcruiser]

Originally Posted by dreamer

But leave off the photos from the WTC off the TV ads.
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Buncombe! These ads JUST started running, but yet these people are already complaining? Doesn't ANYONE find that suspect?

But you know what? It doesn't matter. I think images form 9/11 need to be shown MORE, not less. People in this country have forgotten that we were ATTACKED! They need to be reminded! We are involved in a war on terror, with maniacs who's sole purpose in life is to kill as many of us as possible. Yet, only 6% of the American people name the terror threat as important to them in chosing the next president. That is scary. Everyone is so worried about "what can the next president do for me"....well, how about keep you alive????

I'm sorry, but this whole thing just frosts my behind...not show footage from 9-11? You have got to be joking. 9-11, by it's nature WAS a political statement by radical muslims. GWB's performance during that crisis is part of record as president. Trotting out some Democratic activists to whine about these commercials is DISRESPECTFUL to the memories of the people who died....THEY are the ones being disrespectful....not Bush. These Democrats have NO shame

[dreamer]

Originally Posted by saxonburgcruiser

Buncombe! These ads JUST started running, but yet these people are already complaining? Doesn't ANYONE find that suspect?

But you know what? It doesn't matter. I think images form 9/11 need to be shown MORE, not less. People in this country have forgotten that we were ATTACKED! They need to be reminded! We are involved in a war on terror, with maniacs who's sole purpose in life is to kill as many of us as possible. Yet, only 6% of the American people name the terror threat as important to them in chosing the next president. That is scary. Everyone is so worried about "what can the next president do for me"....well, how about keep you alive????

I'm sorry, but this whole thing just frosts my behind...not show footage from 9-11? You have got to be joking. 9-11, by it's nature WAS a political statement by radical muslims. GWB's performance during that crisis is part of record as president. Trotting out some Democratic activists to whine about these commercials is DISRESPECTFUL to the memories of the people who died....THEY are the ones being disrespectful....not Bush. These Democrats have NO shame

Well get your frozen ass outta my face. You must also have a frozen heart. When I said don't show photos from 9/11, it was in reference to a political campaign in this country.

The people who had relatives die in 9/11 that are speaking out are not all democrats: "I've always been supportive of President Bush, but I really think there has to be some closure of the 9/11 issue," said DallaValle, who voted for Bush in 2000. "It's very important for myself and people that I know who were affected by the disaster to move on with our lives, and it's very difficult to be constantly reminded. Every time I see something, it feels like it's that day again.""I think it's inappropriate (for the Bush campaign) to use photos from Ground Zero. I'm reminded of it enough every day when I get up and Kenny's gone," said DallaValle, 41, of Matawan, a former Newark police officer who left the force after her fiance was killed

I believe I quoted another mother in a previous post. It says nothing about whether she is a democrat or republican, just a grieving mother. I don't find anything suspect in a mother sitting down, watching tv and being taken totally off guard by the ads. What would have prepared her? And from the looks of it, a reporter came to her, not the other way around. Someone(you, saxon) is showing their prejudice pretty strongly, I'd say.

I would say your opinion comes in a real distant second to anyone who lost a family member.

Like I said, it's fine to have him quote his record. but don't use images of the WTC as a backdrop for it.

I haven't forgotten what happened. And i know the families aren't the ones forgetting you idiot.

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by dreamer

I don't know Joe. I don't consider myself a democrat. I know I'm not voting for Bush, but still am not sure who I WILL vote for kerry, nader or someone else....

If Bush wants to mention his record, ok by me. But leave off the photos from the WTC off the TV ads. How's that for compromise? I myself would be a heck less offended if the ads didn't carry those images.

If the Bush ads mention his actions following 9-11 and show images of what happened during 9-11, I simply can't see the offense. It's a time when he did act pretty darned presidential and the Democrats definitely don't want that recalled. The events of 9-11 may be personal to some, but those events are a major historical incident and calling their depiction off limits is really beyond the pale. Imagine FDR running for re-election and his print campaign ads not carrying any images of Pearl Harbor.