Bush Service Documents Only Deepen Controversy

[taikuchin]

Originally Posted by BlueMeanie

Good point JOEM. My grandfater's military records were destroyed in a warehouse fire. Since there is no paperwork to back it up, does that mean that my grandfather didn't serve in the Army Air Corps during WWII?

Dan

Maybe...if his commanding officers said they never saw him...& if NOBODY in the unit ever saw him...just maybe he wasn't there.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by taikuchin

In 1994, dubya told the Houston Chronicle, in relation to his joining the National Guard, "I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment, nor was I willing to go to Canada, so I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes." It sounds like dubya, himself, acknowledged that he went into the National Guard because he didn't want to go to Vietnam.

AND-my question still stands-is he actually a pilot and if so-how many flight hours does he have?? So maybe he didn't spend any time learning to fly planes.....

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by taikuchin

Maybe...if his commanding officers said they never saw him...& if NOBODY in the unit ever saw him...just maybe he wasn't there.

Since that's not the case with President Bush, I suppose you now agree he was there.

Lisa, the President was a fully qualified pilot and had his flight hours and flight checks in his records.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by JOEM

Since that's not the case with President Bush, I suppose you now agree he was there.

Lisa, the President was a fully qualified pilot and had his flight hours and flight checks in his records.

WAS???? Not still a pilot??? That is odd. I rarely hear of pilots giving up their license unless forced to for medical reasons. How strange.

[my80volare]

Originally Posted by lisa

WAS???? Not still a pilot??? That is odd. I rarely hear of pilots giving up their license unless forced to for medical reasons. How strange.

No, it is not odd. Military pilots are not given a liscense. They MAY obtain a cilvillian pilots liscense, if they wish, but the military doesn't issue a liscense for anything (except to certify vehicles that one has been trained to operate). The job I did in the Air Force would require an FAA liscense anywhere else, but not in the military.

You need to realize that the military is a completely different "world" than civillian life.

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by my80volare

You need to realize that the military is a completely different "world" than civillian life.

And the world of military pilots is completely different from most of the military as well.

[my80volare]

Originally Posted by JOEM

And the world of military pilots is completely different from most of the military as well.

Yeah, that's true. They always did think they were better than us.

Tha's why we had the saying "It takes a college education to break 'em, and a high school education to fix 'em"

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by my80volare

Yeah, that's true. They always did think they were better than us.

Tha's why we had the saying "It takes a college education to break 'em, and a high school education to fix 'em"

That's so true. I was the section commander of an A-10 squadron in the UK and I recall how a 20-year-old airman would try to patiently explain to a 30-year-old aircrew captain why it wasn't a good idea to vent his anger by jerking at the stick. Of course, that Captain probably will run the Air Force someday.

[taikuchin]

Originally Posted by JOEM

That's so true. I was the section commander of an A-10 squadron in the UK and I recall how a 20-year-old airman would try to patiently explain to a 30-year-old aircrew captain why it wasn't a good idea to vent his anger by jerking at the stick. Of course, that Captain probably will run the Air Force someday.

Got this in an email..thought you hair force guys might enjoy it...


A US Air Force C-141 is scheduled to leave Thule Air Base, Greenland, at
midnight. During the pilot's preflight check, he discovers that the latrine
holding tank is still full from the last flight. So a message is sent to
the base, and an airman who was off duty is called out to take care of it.

The young man finally gets to the air base and makes his way to the
aircraft, only to find that the latrine pump truck has been left outdoors
and is frozen solid, so he must find another one in the hangar, which takes
even more time. He returns to the aircraft and is less than enthusiastic
about what he has to do. Nevertheless, he goes about the pumping job
deliberately and carefully (and slowly) so as to not risk criticism later.

As he's leaving the plane, the pilot stops him and says, "Son, your
attitude and performance has caused this flight to be late, and I'm going
to personally see to it that you are not just reprimanded, but punished."

Shivering in the cold, his task finished, he takes a deep breath,stands up tall and says, "Sir, with all due respect, I'm not your son; I'm an Airman in the United States Air Force. I've been in Thule, Greenland for 11 months without any leave, and reindeer are beginning to look pretty good to me. I have one stripe; it's two-thirty in the morning, the temperature is 40 degrees below zero, and my job here is to pump #### from your aircraft...... Now just exactly what form of punishment did you have in
mind?"

[Dreamacre]

Originally Posted by taikuchin

Now just exactly what form of punishment did you have in
mind?"

"Well son, you have to go to the PTE website and listen to taikuchin and Enkiel's drivel."