Bush Service Documents Only Deepen Controversy

[taikuchin]

Originally Posted by JOEM

You're ascribing negative motives to folks who served their country honorably. That's what I'm sick and tired of. The mounting evidence is going against your aspersions. Of course, that won't stop you from making them.

JOEM old buddy, I ascribe negative motives to folks who used family & politcal influence to get into reserve units that were otherwise full & had waiting lists. Joining the National Guard WAS a method for avoiding being drafted into the active military & everyone who was at all interested in the war at the time knew it. Your attack on people who remember what was going on is part of the republican defence of a clown who used the ANG to avoid Viet Nam & then because of his political connections was able to drop out early & not suffer any consequences. Until now.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by JOEM

Bush did finish his hitch and was honorably discharged. You're ascribing negative motives to folks who served their country honorably.

Isn't that the whole point-that no one can find any evidence that he actually DID serve his country honorably? Playing cards in the barracks? Socializing with his unit? On maneuvers? Do you have any pics of him with any of his National Guard buddies serving honorably? Can you even find any of his National Guard buddies? Exactly when was he serving? I believe he was SERVICING his little girlfriend, but I don't believe he was serving his country. The worst part of the whole deal is that (of course) he is lying about it (typical politician).

[BlueMeanie]

Originally Posted by lisa

Do you have any pics of him with any of his National Guard buddies serving honorably?

Here is a pic of him in uniform in front of a plane. You can see someones arm on the left.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by BlueMeanie

Here is a pic of him in uniform in front of a plane. You can see someones arm on the left.

Well, we already know he can play dress up with the military uniforms-didn't he fly to Iraq dressed up as someone he wasn't? Find the person that owns the arm and ask him about his buddy and maybe I will believe it. It is probably his brother dressed up like him so they could both be pictured to look as if they had a work ethic. Don't see any callouses on those hands or any dirt on the uniform. Matter of fact-I see fold creases in the uniform-like it was just taken out of its bag-brand new.

[dreamer]

From what I understand, and I could be remembering wrong, if Bush's unit had been called up after a certain point, his partication in it would have been limited. He missed a physcial and would not have been able to fly. That's one of the reason him being a fly jumpsuit was a little, hmm, disingenuous.

[JOEM]

Originally Posted by lisa

Find the person that owns the arm and ask him about his buddy and maybe I will believe it. It is probably his brother dressed up like him so they could both be pictured to look as if they had a work ethic. Don't see any callouses on those hands or any dirt on the uniform. Matter of fact-I see fold creases in the uniform-like it was just taken out of its bag-brand new.

Lisa, there are standards for military dress even for pilots. And who said pilots ever get their hands dirty? Callouses? We're talking about pilots here!

Lisa, once a unit is activated for movement, flight physicals immediately follow as part of the activation.

[my80volare]

Originally Posted by lisa

Find the person that owns the arm and ask him about his buddy and maybe I will believe it.

I doubt it.

Originally Posted by lisa

It is probably his brother dressed up like him so they could both be pictured to look as if they had a work ethic.

Case in point.

Originally Posted by lisa

Don't see any callouses on those hands or any dirt on the uniform. Matter of fact-I see fold creases in the uniform-like it was just taken out of its bag-brand new.

In my 10+ years as an aircraft mechanic, dealing with pilots everyday, you have just described every pilot I met. Would it surprise you that while I was in Saudi Sand Box during the Gulf war, that not just the pilots had to have thier unifoms "pressed and creased", but we maintenance folks also had to maintain that same standard, as well as keeping our boots clean and buffed to a shine? Yes, during a war, in the sand.

[lisa]

Still doesn't answer the question of why NO ONE ever remembers serving with him in the guard-who is the mysterious arm? And excuse me, but don't even guard units have to do some kind of basic training (which would produce callouses)? And was he ever actually cleared to be a pilot?

Tell me how many hours of flight time he has accumulated.

[QuicksilverDon]

Originally Posted by lisa

Tell me how many hours of flight time he has accumulated.

In a plane or on coke?

Actually, I consider him eminently forgettable.

[my80volare]

Originally Posted by lisa

Still doesn't answer the question of why NO ONE ever remembers serving with him in the guard-who is the mysterious arm? And excuse me, but don't even guard units have to do some kind of basic training (which would produce callouses)? And was he ever actually cleared to be a pilot?

Tell me how many hours of flight time he has accumulated.

Not to come across as "confrontational", but why? All of the "evidence" has already been released by the whitehouse. Now, since they are Bush's records (any and all that exist), Bush is the only one who can grant access to them. Now then, since you have already made clear that nothing Bush says will be believed by you (all politicians are liars), and since the only evidence can come from him, anything produced to account for his time (including his flying hours) will have to be produced by him, thus rendering irrelevant in your mind.

In other words, no evidence can be produced to convince, so why take the time trying? And again, I am not trying to be demeaning, so forgive me if I come across that way, I am just trying to be straightfoward here.