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Originally posted by Air Ride PT
Whoa easy killer. Both the PT and WRX are great cars. You can't beat the AWD off the line (I know, I tried against a 2001 Subaru 2.5 RS). After that it's fair game. Depending on the boost and the driver, every situation differs. While the STi is an amazing car with great EVERYTHING, you can still smoke it if the driver doesn't know what he/she is doing. Performance wise I would have to go with the Scooby. Have you ever seen a 700 hp street legal PT!? I think not. The great thing about a heavily modded PT is that no one expects it. I would rather beat the pants off of another car in a PT than a Subaru because it's like "WTH!?! I got burned by a station wagon?!" You would have a greater satisfaction level, in my opinion. In conclusion, both cars are awesome. Have fun and don't worry about which is better. 
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Yeah, that's what I said to start with. I mentioned how a highly modified PT most definitely could beat a stock WRX from a roll...phatdad must have not gotten the memo.
Everyone needs to keep in mind I didn't start the comparison for PT to WRX or STi. I clarified points. My own PT will be capable of taking a WRX from a roll when built, though not an STi.
Since this crowd doesn't take well to other cars, it's time for education.
The WRX, even stock, is a beast from a stop. However, it is widely known to most people that race that a WRX has some pretty awful top end power. It's 4th and 5th gears (on a 5-speed) are overdrive gears, which hurts the WRX a lot, and it has AWD, resulting in a larger loss of power through the powertrain. Therefore, a fully built PT should have no problem with a stock WRX from a roll. In fact, if your built PT does have a problem with a stock WRX from a roll, something is wrong with your PT or the WRX isn't stock.
There is a HUGE performance aftermarket for the WRX. I've got video of a WRX running a 9 second quarter mile (yes, a streetable car). If the PT had a stronger transmission and some sort of user tunable engine computer (UTEC), the possibilities would be endless.
With that information, keep this in mind: my PT was my first new car. When my brother was looking into getting a WRX wagon, I discouraged him because I wanted him to get a PT. But he didn't and did get the WRX. My PT is set up for show. It isn't too functional anymore and my family moved to a house with a VERY steep driveway, so the PT had to park on the road. It also could not go places I wanted to go. It ceased to function for my every day life. And so I started looking at other cars to do those duties. I saw the STi had just come out. I liked my brother's WRX. So I decided to get an STi. If I didn't like it, I could just sell it for more than what I paid. I got the STi and liked it.
So, having both a PT and an STi, I stayed on these forums and got on WRX forums. That's the reason I'm still here to talk. I love my PT and my STi. If the PT doesn't sell at NOPI, I'm probably taking it off the market and building the engine myself.
I have no bias towards the STi. It is better for racing and daily driving, though, while the PT is my show car. There is no griping about a PT that MIGHT one day be as fast as my daily driver. That is something I find quite odd about these forums...
On WRX forums, people respect other cars. Although no one likes losing a race, it's part of racing. Someone has to lose and you take it in stride. But the VAST majority of people there do NOT talk trash about other cars. They don't call a PT crap because it can't keep up with a WRX. They don't call overly chromed PT's domestic rice either. They are polite and respectful. People with Mustangs, Hondas, Supras, SRT4's and more are on the WRX boards. No hate, no name-calling, just discussion, cool stories and videos and nice people. Not so here. I know the Aztek thing is not meant to be too serious, but some people carry it way too far. Same for the Element. Same for the Scion. Same for the WRX. I'm noticing a trend.
Cut it out. Real car communities don't like the fringe that has no respect for anyone else. Wondering why your group isn't too accepted at shows? THAT IS THE REASON. I am accepted by ALL the local and even distant car communities I choose to frequent, whether foreign or domestic, show or race. So is my PT and my STi.
Learn to respect other people and their cars. The PT community has a long way to go.
And if anyone thinks my clarifications are not accurate, let's race. I'll race ANY of you in your PT, from a stop, from a roll, for top speed, handling or even stopping. I'd prefer to leave it at this forum because I highly doubt anyone will like the results of said race. It seems I'm the only unbiased person here, which is sad. Loyalty to car is great and all but it can go too far.
If anyone wants to insist their PT will beat an STi, quit dreaming but do PM me. Considering the lack of tolerance here and the ABSOLUTE lack of knowledge, I'm not going to follow this thread by email anymore. It isn't worth my time. This is one of the things driving me away from PT boards - THE PEOPLE ON THEM. I really like a lot of you but there are enough know-nothing big-mouths with no respect or tolerance that it really ruins this place. I also see a lot of other people run off regularly, while they had been regulars. I see why now. Not so with other car forums I frequent (and no, not all are PT or WRX specific).
EDIT: I get told off by phatdad and respond, then my post gets edited by Admin claiming it's an attack. That's it for me. I'm off these forums. It's a waste of my time.
RN